go-bright-light asked: Concerning the free will post. I don't think it will be either useful or pleasant to continue this discussion. You seem to return to the same point without answering my refutation of it. You keep looking into the physical brain for free will, and that's why you don't find it. Just because you can't find it in science does not mean it is not real. Science is not omnipotent. And by the way, I was not calling your arguments absurd. I was calling them absurdist. Look up the def. of absurdISM.

I thought the discussion was discontinued when you didn’t respond.  It has been days.  Of course it won’t be pleasant; unpleasant for you because I’ll refute your points rather effortlessly and unpleasant for me because I’ll keep repeating my points to a def opponent.

I did address your points.  You actually made none.  You strawmanned; you concocted false quotes to prop up your points.  Why should anyone consider an argument that is full of dishonesty?  I’m not a nihilist and I’m not an absurdist.  For the record, I don’t need to look up the term, I’m well aware of its meaning.  Looking at what was perhaps a typo or a shortened use of the same term in an attempt to make a point shows how truly defeated you feel.  Unfortunately, I trust in the human ability to find meaning in life.  I don’t think a god — your god especially — is necessary to find meaning in life.  Furthermore, I don’t think it’s an invented meaning like Camus thought.  Therefore, there is no conflict between my search for meaning in life and my supposed inability as a human to find meaning.  Are you aware that to be Absurdist, one has to view the universe as meaningless?  I would posit that the universe is indifferent rather than meaningless.  However, that doesn’t grant that some creator has given it meaning and that said creator — assuming it exists — is your god.  I just feel it a bit naive to call the universe meaningless when considering that humanity has been aware of it for roughly 100,000 out of 13.8 billion years.  Percentage wise, that is a miniscule fraction/decimal.  In other words, who the hell are we to call the universe meaningless? 

Libertarian free will is illusory.  I have provided support for that statement and I have done so without the use of flagrant fallacies.  I even proved that free will would be impossible if your god existed. 

Science is not omnipotent, but it is more effective than your backward methodology.  If some new truth disagrees with your Theistic view, you discard it and campaign against it.  Rather than saying “you keep looking into the physical brain for free will,” consider why Neuroscientists have come to that conclusion.  In other words, stop campaigning against a fact and look into why it is accepted as fact. 

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